{"id":12289,"date":"2022-09-26T17:13:39","date_gmt":"2022-09-27T00:13:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/?p=12289"},"modified":"2022-11-16T16:24:22","modified_gmt":"2022-11-17T00:24:22","slug":"you-know-i-dont-think-its-that-that-people-dont-want-to-work","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/2022\/09\/26\/you-know-i-dont-think-its-that-that-people-dont-want-to-work\/","title":{"rendered":"You know, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that that people don&#8217;t want to work"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I think it\u2019s that people are sick and tired of the endless bullshit that comes from trying to get a job.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve talked to people who\u2019ve had five interviews and hadn&#8217;t met the hiring manager yet. There are others that say they\u2019ve had to explain their technical chops to recruiters, and then to the company HR, and then got to a video interview composed of people from every department <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">except<\/span><\/strong> the one that they were going to be working in. In that interview they got to re-explain their technical abilities to people who had no clue what the job title was.<\/p>\n<p>I read of one programmer who asked, \u201cWill I be interacting with the accounting department on this project?\u201d When he was told, \u201cNo,\u201d he followed up with, \u201cThen why are two of the 5 interviewers in this room from accounting?<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not just about having to fill out a 50 page job application where your\u2019e cutting a pasting everything from your resume into the prescribed little boxes. And then having to submit your resume with the 50 page application. It\u2019s about the complete disrespect that\u2019s shown during a phone interview or zoom interview by people not having read either of the documents.<\/p>\n<p>Technical people tend to cut straight line to a solution and don\u2019t waste a lot of time getting from point A to point B.<\/p>\n<p>There are also a lot of HR and recruiters who play the whole bait and switch game. No I don\u2019t want to accept a 6 month (onSite) contract on a technical support desk, when I applied for a programming position.<\/p>\n<p>No I\u2019m not interested in a salary that is half of what I stated that I needed, with the possibility of overtime.<\/p>\n<p>I love that the recruiter told me, \u201cYou\u2019ll be making your requested salary when you consider the OT.\u201d \u00a0Uh no that\u2019s not how it works. If the company decides to cut the OT then I\u2019m not making enough to pay my bills. The recruiter said, \u201cOh you don\u2019t have to worry about that! Most people complain that there\u2019s too much OT and they have no time to do anything.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The poor girl just didn\u2019t understand that the company sounded like a shit show right from the start. Of course, the Corporate web site said, \u201cWe have a commitment to work life balance.\u201d Uh Yeah! I can see that ever so clearly.<\/p>\n<p>A buddy told me about an interviewer that couldn\u2019t understand why he didn\u2019t want to take a management slot instead of the position he\u2019d applied for.<\/p>\n<p>His answer was pretty straight forward. \u201cI\u2019ve done management, I want to spend time with my kids right now. I just want a job that pays the bills, is low stress, only has occasional overtime, and that I can go home at quitting time without worrying about people, resources, and budgets.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The interviewer just couldn&#8217;t get it through her head. She literally kept talking in circles trying to get him to agree to take the management position. The kicker was that the management position only paid 2K per year more than the slot he applied for.<\/p>\n<p>Eventually my buddy terminated the interview telling the interviewer that he was no longer interested in working for her company. She literally started screeching at him for wasting her time.<\/p>\n<p>He told me it was one of those times when he missed the satisfaction of slamming the phone receiver down, especially since it was a zoom call. He substituted closing his laptop while she was berating him red-faced on the screen. He said it was strangely satisfying hearing her muffled screams from the closed laptop. He said he could have simply hit disconnect, but he really wanted to make the point, by closing the laptop screen she could see what was happening.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll have to remember that for the future. I think my buddy may have come up with the phone slam equivalent for Zoom calls!<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m still annoyed and amused by the hiring manager that pushed for a phone interview even though I told her I had a conflict because I was participating in an online collaboration meeting with my current employer. My participation was text chat only. She simply wouldn\u2019t take \u201cNo\u201d for an answer and I let her badger me into doing the interview. So during the call that she forced, She heard me typing a reply to one of my coworkers and immediately started yelling about how I wasn\u2019t prepared for the interview and was obviously looking up information about the questions she was asking. I explained yet AGAIN that I was participating in a meeting and that I was answering a coworker\u2019s question.<\/p>\n<p>Nope! She went off on me and I thought, \u201cI wouldn\u2019t work for this person or her company! I\u2019d rather stay right where I was. Better to drive daily 90 miles one way through LA traffic than to work for someone like her.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I told her as politely as I could, \u201cGoodbye,\u201d and disconnected. She called me back telling me that it was unprofessional to hang up on her! \u00a0I was well past my boiling point, \u201cI asked what part of goodbye didn\u2019t you understand? What part of I\u2019m not going to be screamed at by someone that I don\u2019t know, don\u2019t work for and have no desire to ever meet in person, don\u2019t you get?&#8221; I repeated, &#8220;Good Bye\u201d and disconnected a second time. She called back to continue berating me.<\/p>\n<p>I remember sitting there wondering what the hell? I hung up, blocked the number and went back to my meeting.<\/p>\n<p>Later in the day I wrote a letter to the HR department of her company. I called out her harassment and offered to send them my phone log as evidence of her repeated calls. I further requested that they flush my application, and resume from their system. I have not applied to that company in the 10 years since.<\/p>\n<p>They\u2019re 25 miles from my home. At the time I knew 2 of their VPs and one of them had walked my resume into the company. I told them both about my experience with this particular manager. As of now, I know absolutely no-one who works for this company. The VP who\u2019d walked my resume in, had been promoted to Director, but left the company a year or two later saying the place had become a shit show of egos and political bullshit.<\/p>\n<p>He\u2019s at Microsoft now.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve had a couple of interviews where a hiring manager was grilling me for proprietary information about a previous employer throughout the interview. They\u2019ve both been Chinese and refused to give up on the subject. The employer they zero in on is a defense contractor I worked for 8 years ago. Any information I might have is long since irrelevant and none of their business in any case. I\u2019m not going to divulge anything about that time in my life except the employment verification number for them to call.<\/p>\n<p>What these people don\u2019t seem to get is that when they get all demanding and particularly if they seem to posses information about the project or projects I worked on, I\u2019m going to call the security number and report that they\u2019re asking inappropriate questions and have details they shouldn\u2019t have. I\u2019ll let the security people deal with these Foreign Nationals asking about confidential projects.It\u2019s no skin off my nose to drop a dime on them.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I think it\u2019s that people are sick and tired of the endless bullshit that comes from trying to get a job. I\u2019ve talked to people who\u2019ve had five interviews and hadn&#8217;t met the hiring manager yet. There are others that say they\u2019ve had to explain their technical chops to recruiters, and then to the company &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/2022\/09\/26\/you-know-i-dont-think-its-that-that-people-dont-want-to-work\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;You know, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that that people don&#8217;t want to work&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[84,15,10,88],"tags":[188,194,173,197],"class_list":["post-12289","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bullshit","category-job-search","category-modern-problems","category-working","tag-bullshit","tag-job-search","tag-modern-problems","tag-working"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12289","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=12289"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12289\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":12400,"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12289\/revisions\/12400"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=12289"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=12289"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bone-in-the-throat.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=12289"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}